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Marking up liturgical texts

Hayim Lapin

Hello all,

A colleague working on liturgical texts (in fact, seasonably appropriate: the text for the passover seder) asked how her group might encode liturgical instructions ("here the cup is raised"; "In X circumstances the following is recited").

I suggested <seg> using @type and @subtype attributes as necessary to specify further.  However, my guess is that there are people on this list who have far more experience than me with this sort of thing.

Any suggestions?
Many thanks,
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Hayim Lapin
Professor of History
Robert H. Smith Professor of Jewish Studies
2115 Francis Scott Key Hall
College Park, MD 20190
+1 301 405 4296
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Re: Marking up liturgical texts

williams
Dear Hayim,

This is exactly what I do when marking up the Dictionnaire Universel in its 1701 edition. I have many such formulae, as well as proverbs and collocations. I prefer to use a very loose categorization using type so that others scholars can then reclassify and specify in line with their own needs and interpretations. I have been working on collocation and idioms so long that I am wary of any top-down categorisation.

Best wishes

Geoffrey


Le 3 avr. 2017 à 17:57, Hayim Lapin <[hidden email]> a écrit :

Hello all,

A colleague working on liturgical texts (in fact, seasonably appropriate: the text for the passover seder) asked how her group might encode liturgical instructions ("here the cup is raised"; "In X circumstances the following is recited").

I suggested <seg> using @type and @subtype attributes as necessary to specify further.  However, my guess is that there are people on this list who have far more experience than me with this sort of thing.

Any suggestions?
Many thanks,
-- 
Hayim Lapin
Professor of History
Robert H. Smith Professor of Jewish Studies
2115 Francis Scott Key Hall
College Park, MD 20190
+1 301 405 4296
www.digitalmishnah.umd.edu | www.erabbinica.org

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Re: Marking up liturgical texts

Lou Burnard-6
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Well, yes, <seg> CAN be used like that, to cover all sorts of edge cases. (Though you may find it needs to be wrapped up in a <p> or something similar).
But if you;re interested in marking up the liturgy semantically, why not do the job properly, using <sp> and <p> and <lg> for the various scripted parts, and <stage> for the "directions" ? Alternatively, you could use <note>, perhaps with a @type attribute to indicate that it's an instruction. Either of these options has the advantage that it can appear within or between paragraphs.



On 03/04/17 16:57, Hayim Lapin wrote:

Hello all,

A colleague working on liturgical texts (in fact, seasonably appropriate: the text for the passover seder) asked how her group might encode liturgical instructions ("here the cup is raised"; "In X circumstances the following is recited").

I suggested <seg> using @type and @subtype attributes as necessary to specify further.  However, my guess is that there are people on this list who have far more experience than me with this sort of thing.

Any suggestions?
Many thanks,
-- 
Hayim Lapin
Professor of History
Robert H. Smith Professor of Jewish Studies
2115 Francis Scott Key Hall
College Park, MD 20190
+1 301 405 4296
www.digitalmishnah.umd.edu | www.erabbinica.org


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Re: Marking up liturgical texts

Hayim Lapin

Very good point, and I too wondered about the various tags available for performance. (I leave it to theorists and specialists in both liturgy and drama to deal with whether this reduces one cultural and literary form into a subset of the other ....) 

I wrote the note in ignorance of the larger schema-framework the encoders are using. I suspect that since they are encoding from manuscript that semantic tagging of content may take a back seat to primary source description. But implicit in your question (and correctly!) is precisely the question of the larger conceptualization of the project.

HL



On 4/3/2017 2:21 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:
Well, yes, <seg> CAN be used like that, to cover all sorts of edge cases. (Though you may find it needs to be wrapped up in a <p> or something similar).
But if you;re interested in marking up the liturgy semantically, why not do the job properly, using <sp> and <p> and <lg> for the various scripted parts, and <stage> for the "directions" ? Alternatively, you could use <note>, perhaps with a @type attribute to indicate that it's an instruction. Either of these options has the advantage that it can appear within or between paragraphs.



On 03/04/17 16:57, Hayim Lapin wrote:

Hello all,

A colleague working on liturgical texts (in fact, seasonably appropriate: the text for the passover seder) asked how her group might encode liturgical instructions ("here the cup is raised"; "In X circumstances the following is recited").

I suggested <seg> using @type and @subtype attributes as necessary to specify further.  However, my guess is that there are people on this list who have far more experience than me with this sort of thing.

Any suggestions?
Many thanks,
-- 
Hayim Lapin
Professor of History
Robert H. Smith Professor of Jewish Studies
2115 Francis Scott Key Hall
College Park, MD 20190
+1 301 405 4296
www.digitalmishnah.umd.edu | www.erabbinica.org



-- 
Hayim Lapin
Professor of History
Robert H. Smith Professor of Jewish Studies
2115 Francis Scott Key Hall
College Park, MD 20190
+1 301 405 4296
www.digitalmishnah.umd.edu | www.erabbinica.org
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Re: Marking up liturgical texts

Paul Schaffner
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I have raised this question before, back when we were encoding
lots of variants on the Englsh and Latin prayer books. We never did
find a wholly satisfactory encoding for liturgical texts, partly because
they are so various amongst themselves (what works for one will
not necessarily work for another), and partly because they can be
so various within a single text: the div-level organization can be
very confusing, without any clear hierarchy, with one labelled chunk
succeeding another without evident organization; within these
chunks, once finds a mixture of (often unmarked and often abbreviated)
'rubrics' (i.e, instructions, or narratives that serve in place of
instructions;
descriptions of alternative versions, etc.); readings, often in the
form of quotations or centos of quotations; prayers, sometimes
in the form of litanies, sometimes not; call-and-response type
structures
(antiphons); hymns; etc., all rather jumbled together.

Most of the time, when the format supported it, we opted for
dramatic tags: <speaker> for  "Priest:"  "People:"; <stage>
for rubrics (instructions); and <sp> for short direct speeches.
But this structure could not be maintained, since dramatically
formatted text would immediately give way to (say)

Lectio IV.

or

PRAYER.
...

which might or might not be spoken by the same person who had
just been given a <sp> tag. Leading one to doubt whether to
create a new div at that point; or a floating text within the
currently open <sp>, or something different altogether.  We might
start tagging rubrics as <stage>, then find a rubric that turned into
a multi-page commentary, for which <stage> seemed very
awkward at best.

In a word, though we used the drama tags, and supported
their semantic appropriateness, the actual structure of the documents
invariably seemed to make them problematic to apply, or to
apply consistently or confidently. I think in the end we would have
done better to have used a much more generic div/p/seg structure
-- though that has its problems too.

pfs

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017, at 14:21, Lou Burnard wrote:

> Well, yes, <seg> CAN be used like that, to cover all sorts of edge
> cases. (Though you may find it needs to be wrapped up in a <p> or
> something similar).
> But if you;re interested in marking up the liturgy semantically, why not
> do the job properly, using <sp> and <p> and <lg> for the various
> scripted parts, and <stage> for the "directions" ? Alternatively, you
> could use <note>, perhaps with a @type attribute to indicate that it's
> an instruction. Either of these options has the advantage that it can
> appear within or between paragraphs.
>
>
>
> On 03/04/17 16:57, Hayim Lapin wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A colleague working on liturgical texts (in fact, seasonably
> > appropriate: the text for the passover seder) asked how her group
> > might encode liturgical instructions ("here the cup is raised"; "In X
> > circumstances the following is recited").
> >
> > I suggested <seg> using @type and @subtype attributes as necessary to
> > specify further.  However, my guess is that there are people on this
> > list who have far more experience than me with this sort of thing.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> > Many thanks,
> > --
> > Hayim Lapin
> > Professor of History
> > Robert H. Smith Professor of Jewish Studies
> > 2115 Francis Scott Key Hall
> > College Park, MD 20190
> > +1 301 405 4296
> > www.digitalmishnah.umd.edu  |www.erabbinica.org
>
>
--
Paul Schaffner  Digital Content & Collections
University of Michigan Libraries
[hidden email] | http://www.umich.edu/~pfs/